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But Next Time Part 1: Toward the Fire

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As fires ravaged California’s world-famous wine country in 2017, a community radio station, emergency dispatcher, and tenant organizers helped the most vulnerable in their community survive and recover. Community organizers and hosts of the podcasts But Next Time Chrishelle Palay and Rose Arrieta bring us the first of four stories of hard-won lessons learned from people on the frontlines of California’s wildfires and Texas’ storms as they work to answer the question, how can next time be different? This is part one of a four part series.

 Special thanks to Sonya Green.


  • Mariano Alvarez, California Rural Legal Assistance

  • Alicia Sanchez, President of Board of Directors of KBBF

  • Alma Bowen, Founder / Executive Director of Nuestra Comunidad

  • Edgar Avila, Director of Programming KBBF

  • Beatrice Camacho, ERAP Manager of North Bay Organizing Project 

Staff at But Next Time

  • Hosts: Chrishelle Palay and Rose Arrieta
  • Executive Producer: Luisa Dantas
  • Senior Producer & Editor: Leah Mahan
  • Supervising Producer: Paige Wood
  • Impact Producers: Anna Lee and Julia Steele Allen
  • Associate Producer: Kadi Diallo
  • Story Editor: Cheryl Devall

Making Contact Staff

  • Host: Salima Hamirani

  • Interim Executive Director: Jessica Partnow

  • Staff Producers: Anita Johnson, Monica Lopez, Salima Hamirani

Music Credits:

All original compositions by Fernando Arruda

  • But Next Time
  • Next Blues
  • Full Bodied Disparity
  • Per Pound
  • A Feeling About It
  • Going Back


Author: Radio Project

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