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But Next Time, Episode 4: Higher Ground

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When communities face the aftermath of catastrophes, what does it take to ensure that the next time will be different? In Houston, it takes a city council member who bicycles in her neighborhood to hear from constituents about what they need most. It takes 12 moms who organize to take legal action against the landlords that have kept their families in moldy, substandard apartments. And it takes a city official who blows the whistle on corrupt and dangerous practices related to housing policy. Travel to Houston with our hosts Chrishelle Palay and Rose Arrieta to meet these changemakers in our final episode of this limited-run podcast. They witness people power in action, as author and artist Adrienne Maree Brown describes it, “…bending the future, together, into something we have never experienced.”

Special Thanks to Sonya Green.

Image Credit: Leah Mahan

Image Caption: BNT in Houston Tour Interview Ericka Bowman

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  • Jaime –  Mother in Houston Texas who is part of the 12 Moms campaign
  • Zoe Middleton – Southeast Texas and Houston co-director for Texas Housers
  • Erika Bowman – Community Organizer with Texas Housers
  • Cashauna Hill – Executive Director of the Louisiana Fair Housing Action Center
  • Ariadna Godreau – Founder and Director of Ayuda Legal Puerto Rico
  • Tom McCasland – Houston Director of Housing and Community Development
  • Sylvester Turner – Mayor of Houston
  • Ms. Hankins – Resident of Houston giving testimony at public meeting


Staff at the But Next Time

  • Hosts: Chrishelle Palay and Rose Arrieta
  • Executive Producer: Luisa Dantas
  • Supervising Producer: Paige Wood
  • Impact Producers: Anna Lee and Julia Steele Allen
  • Associate Producer: Kadi Diallo
  • Producer & Editor: Leah Mahan
  • Story Editor: Cheryl Devall
  • Audio Engineer: Rae Mondo
  • Composer: Fernando Arruda

The Making Contact Team

  • Host: Anita Johnson
  • Interim Executive Director: Jessica Partnow
  • Staff Producers: Anita Johnson, Monica Lopez, Salima Hamirani



  • Music Cues for EP3 (in order of appearance):
    But Next TimePer Pound

    Going Back

    Rumors of Hope

    Next Blues

    Native Step

    Let There Be Fire

    Different Next Time

    BNT Soundtrack Album

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